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How to Cash Out from Coinbase

I’ve covered how to sell Bitcoin cheaply on Coinbase. Next we need to know how to transfer the cash into our own bank account. The process is to select British Pound on the My assets page in the Coinbase interface, then select the Cash out all button:

Cash out all (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)
Cash out all (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)

then Continue:

Cash out - Continue (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)
Cash out – Continue (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)

At this point you can cash out to the debit card you originally used to buy Bitcoin, or select Add a debit card, but the fees on debit cards are high (£52.68 in this case) so we choose Add a bank account instead. Note that, as it says, we need to make a deposit into Coinbase from that bank account to link the two accounts together so we can then move our money in the opposite direction.

Now I believe there are two ways to do this. Firstly, you can select Add a bank account, then UK bank account:

Add a bank account (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)
Add a bank account (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)

There’s a scam warning (hit Continue) then we get the details we need to make a deposit to Coinbase:

Add cash bank details (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)
Add cash bank details (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)

However, that seemed to me a rather manual and awkward approach so I backed out. Instead, I used a different method, but it does require you to have a banking app on your phone. This way we will link the bank account to the Coinbase account before trying to withdraw the account balance.

Go to the Settings menu under your user profile (here the ‘L’ button top right), then select Payment methods, then Add a payment method. This gives the option of an Easy bank transfer, which wasn’t available through the first route:

Add a payment method (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)
Add a payment method (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)

Select Easy bank transfer. There’s a scam warning (hit Continue), then enter a nominal amount to transfer from your bank account to Coinbase (e.g. £10) and select your bank by name:

Easy bank transfer (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)
Easy bank transfer (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)

Select Continue. Then there’s some information given about the transfer, select Continue again. This creates a QR code page – follow the instructions: scan it, follow the link, authorise payment on your banking app, then return back to the page. Note you have around 7-8 minutes to complete the process before it times out:

Complete payment QR code (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)
Complete payment QR code (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)

At that point there is a deposit pending message:

Deposit pending (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)
Deposit pending (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)

In practice the deposit goes through quickly; it showed up on the My assets->British Pound page as soon as I clicked on the View account button:

British Pound page (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)
British Pound page (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)

The next time I clicked the Cash out all button and Continue there was a new option under Select a destination (for me it was the next day, so I don’t know how long it took to become available), and that was the bank account I had sent the £10 from as planned. Also, it was listed as Free:

Cash out to bank (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)
Cash out to bank (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)

Selecting that option, then Continue produces a Cash out preview:

Cash out preview (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)
Cash out preview (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)

Clicking on Cash out now causes a text code to be sent to your phone:

Cash out code (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)
Cash out code (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)

On entering the code we get a confirmation of the cash out request:

Cash out request (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)
Cash out request (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)

On selecting Done the money was instantly gone from the Coinbase account:

Updated account (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)
Updated account (Image: Bitcoin-Investors.co.uk)

I immediately checked my bank account. There wasn’t a deposit showing, but the balance had increased indicating a pending deposit. When I checked the account the next morning, the money was in.

So that’s the process of withdrawing cash back out to your bank account. Although the first time is fiddly because of having to link your bank account, once that’s done it’s straightforward for all future cash outs.

The UK and US Clamping Down On Crypto Trading – It’s Not Yet A Big Deal

The sale and promotion of derivatives of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies to amateur investors is being banned in the UK by the financial regulator, the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA).

It is a further blow to the burgeoning cryptocurrency market, coming soon after the US authorities indicted the owners of leading crypto derivatives exchange BitMEX for operating without being US-registered and allegedly failing to follow anti-money-laundering rules.

Forex Trading (Image: Sanandros/Wikimedia)
Forex Trading (Image: Sanandros/Wikimedia)

In view of recent findings from the University of Cambridge that most firms involved in crypto investments are still operating without a license, other operators are potentially vulnerable to indictments too.

It all sounds like bad news for anyone hoping that more investors will put money into cryptocurrencies. But on a closer inspection, I’m not so sure.

Drops and oceans?

The FCA is preventing retail investors from buying and selling the likes of cryptocurrency futures and options, which people often use as a way of hedging their bets on an underlying asset. For example, you might buy an option to sell a certain number of bitcoin at today’s price if the price falls by 10%, giving you an insurance policy in case the market moves against you.

The FCA said it was introducing the ban from January 6 because amateur investors were at risk of “sudden and unexpected losses”. The reasoning is that these people often don’t understand the market, there is lots of “market abuse and financial crime” in the sector, cryptocurrencies are very volatile and they are hard to value.

To stress, the ban is not being extended to professional traders or institutional firms like hedge funds, which have typically been allowed access to riskier financial products than the general population. It is about protecting people who might have been drawn to bitcoin thinking “it may be the currency of the future”, having “heard sensational news coverage about the rise and fall”. There are any number of splashy trading sites offering them quick and easy entry into this world, and YouTube influencers who enthusiastically encourage them to try complex trading.

Some 1.9 million people – around 4% of the adult population – own cryptocurrencies in the UK. Three-quarters have holdings worth less than GBP 1,000 (USD 1,305) and would certainly qualify as retail investors. We don’t know what proportion of UK investors use crypto derivatives, but we do know that the worldwide trade in these financial products was nearly a fifth of the total crypto market in 2019 (and has been growing rapidly in 2020).

Yet retail investors are probably not the main users of derivatives. Trading site eToro said earlier this year that maybe only a tenth of their retail investor spend was on this segment. And with most of the UK contingent using non-UK based exchanges, it’s easy enough to avoid FCA jurisdiction. The FCA says the ban could reduce annual losses and fees to investors by between GBP 19m and GBP 101m.

The ban also doesn’t make much difference at a worldwide level. The UK crypto market is small beer compared to global cryptocurrency holdings, which are worth around USD 400bn. You would not, therefore, have expected the FCA ban to have a material detrimental impact on the price of bitcoin or leading alternative coins like ethereum, and sure enough, it didn’t. In fact, it was widely expected by industry observers and had arguably already been priced in.

Read more: The Conversation

Bank Of America: Our ‘Inability To Adapt’ Could See A Failure To Compete With Crypto

Bank of America (BoA) has admitted to US regulators it may be “unable” to compete with the growing use of cryptocurrency.

In its annual report to the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) this week, filed Feb. 22, the major US bank for the first time highlights cryptocurrency as an area that may cause it “substantial expenditure” as it tries to remain competitive.

“Our inability to adapt our products and services to evolving industry standards and consumer preferences could harm our business,” BoA states in the filing.

As banks worldwide eye the cryptocurrency phenomenon, direct interaction remains low. The lack of uptake formed a central reason why the European Central Bank confirmed it had opted for a hands-off approach to legislating the area earlier this month.

Open bank vault (Image: ahobbit/Pixabay)
Open bank vault (Image: ahobbit/Pixabay)

While BoA has sought to innovate in the sphere, receiving a patent for its proposed cryptocurrency exchange system in December 2017, it has come in for criticism more recently after blocking its clients from credit card purchases of cryptocurrency.

Read more: CoinTelegraph